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		<title>By: John Collee</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Collee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to agree with Swingdog.
 
Mark Lynas&#039;s insider report offers an  illuminating and depressing analysis of Chinese spoiling tactics at Copenhagen. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-change-mark-lynas)

If the current regime in China are resolved to fight the very notion of verifiable targets  then the urgent challenge of the next decade is how we bring the Chinese inside the tent . 

As a major exporter of coal, Australia has a huge moral obligation to start exerting diplomatic and commercial pressure.  Coal investors will only start getting nervous when China stops buying or Australia refuses to keep supplying the stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to agree with Swingdog.</p>
<p>Mark Lynas&#8217;s insider report offers an  illuminating and depressing analysis of Chinese spoiling tactics at Copenhagen. (<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-change-mark-lynas" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-change-mark-lynas</a>)</p>
<p>If the current regime in China are resolved to fight the very notion of verifiable targets  then the urgent challenge of the next decade is how we bring the Chinese inside the tent . </p>
<p>As a major exporter of coal, Australia has a huge moral obligation to start exerting diplomatic and commercial pressure.  Coal investors will only start getting nervous when China stops buying or Australia refuses to keep supplying the stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Josie McLean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josie McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I thank you for your words again.

As we contemplate what happened at COP15 I think we could do well to ponder Thomas Kuhn and his thoughts about the dynamics of scientific paradigm shifts. He suggests, if you recall, that these shifts are discontinuous and never come from adding bits at the edges of the existing paradigm (my paraphrasing).  Kuhn proposed that the new paradigm emerges when the evidence accumulates and shows that the old paradigm is not meeting our needs. And as you indicate – this condition is being met. The second condition he suggests is the new way (paradigm) being described by others, who are able to make this conceptual leap, so those who have not yet made the conceptual leap, can ‘see’ what it will be like. 

What I love most about your post Paul, is that it starts to create a vision of the future. More accurately, you envision a transition to the new paradigm. I suggest that we need more visioning – lots of it by many people (in local communities if at all possible)! The visioning will provide something people can move towards and allow a ‘letting go’ of the old paradigm. 

Maybe what we hoped for at COP15 was a solution that was really a fiddling at the edges of the old paradigm – a quick fix. And so was doomed anyway – it was never the ‘real deal’.  Maybe what may emerge now (and would have emerged at some point anyway, because it has to), in the chaos of adaption at the edges different systems (and nations) as you describe it, is the real paradigm shift.

We have a belief that change should be planned and orderly, but my understanding from the organisational world, is that real, successful and sustainable change, is in fact, emergent and chaotic – even if people make it sound like it was a planned path after the event.  

So let’s get used to working with people’s passion and enthusiasm at the grass roots (this is where the real energy is); let’s get used to the idea that the future is unpredictable over time and geographical space; let’s get used to ‘not knowing’ the entire pathway to the new future; and let’s all get used to taking some personal responsibility for our collective future.

Many thanks to you Paul – hope you have a great break and return in 2010 as vibrant as ever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I thank you for your words again.</p>
<p>As we contemplate what happened at COP15 I think we could do well to ponder Thomas Kuhn and his thoughts about the dynamics of scientific paradigm shifts. He suggests, if you recall, that these shifts are discontinuous and never come from adding bits at the edges of the existing paradigm (my paraphrasing).  Kuhn proposed that the new paradigm emerges when the evidence accumulates and shows that the old paradigm is not meeting our needs. And as you indicate – this condition is being met. The second condition he suggests is the new way (paradigm) being described by others, who are able to make this conceptual leap, so those who have not yet made the conceptual leap, can ‘see’ what it will be like. </p>
<p>What I love most about your post Paul, is that it starts to create a vision of the future. More accurately, you envision a transition to the new paradigm. I suggest that we need more visioning – lots of it by many people (in local communities if at all possible)! The visioning will provide something people can move towards and allow a ‘letting go’ of the old paradigm. </p>
<p>Maybe what we hoped for at COP15 was a solution that was really a fiddling at the edges of the old paradigm – a quick fix. And so was doomed anyway – it was never the ‘real deal’.  Maybe what may emerge now (and would have emerged at some point anyway, because it has to), in the chaos of adaption at the edges different systems (and nations) as you describe it, is the real paradigm shift.</p>
<p>We have a belief that change should be planned and orderly, but my understanding from the organisational world, is that real, successful and sustainable change, is in fact, emergent and chaotic – even if people make it sound like it was a planned path after the event.  </p>
<p>So let’s get used to working with people’s passion and enthusiasm at the grass roots (this is where the real energy is); let’s get used to the idea that the future is unpredictable over time and geographical space; let’s get used to ‘not knowing’ the entire pathway to the new future; and let’s all get used to taking some personal responsibility for our collective future.</p>
<p>Many thanks to you Paul – hope you have a great break and return in 2010 as vibrant as ever!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Mulligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I&#039;m not a religious person.. The following seems to sum up the likelyhood of salvation by reliance on powerful people&#039;s altruism.

Matthew 19:24 &quot;Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.&quot; 

Something in the character of man seems to make the desire to be powerful mutulally exclusive from the need to service the common good..
 
If he exists.. The Devil must be laughing himself silly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I&#8217;m not a religious person.. The following seems to sum up the likelyhood of salvation by reliance on powerful people&#8217;s altruism.</p>
<p>Matthew 19:24 &#8220;Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.&#8221; </p>
<p>Something in the character of man seems to make the desire to be powerful mutulally exclusive from the need to service the common good..</p>
<p>If he exists.. The Devil must be laughing himself silly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your words Paul are a truly stimulating take on what can only be described as a miserable and darkly ominous outcome at Copenhagen. Many of us need your type of positive shake-up and on an ever regular schedule to avoid sliding into the apparent apathetic malaise. As you intimated last time the outcome at Copenhagen was hardly unexpected. After all when how often before has the entire planet agreed and embarked on any sort of positive civilisation saving plan? Banning CFCs…. the formation of the UN maybe.
As I see it the problem of climate change is clouded by its very complexity and our ability to irrefutably identify the anthropogenic nature of what is occurring with the even the most sophisticated tools at our disposal.  Also it is not often seen as an immediate threat like 9/11, H1N1 or Pearl Harbour. Many of us will not be around when climate change really starts to bight. 
These factors in turn I feel has led to the polarisation of opinions both within the scientific community and lay persons alike. And I feel sure that if ever we do get to that point in time where, like CFCs and the ozone layer we have universal consensus and in sufficient strength to silence the ubiquitous climate change sceptics, deniers and mere gadflies, it is likely to be far too late to take any affirmative action.

So please keep up the good work Paul. You have a devoted follower in me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your words Paul are a truly stimulating take on what can only be described as a miserable and darkly ominous outcome at Copenhagen. Many of us need your type of positive shake-up and on an ever regular schedule to avoid sliding into the apparent apathetic malaise. As you intimated last time the outcome at Copenhagen was hardly unexpected. After all when how often before has the entire planet agreed and embarked on any sort of positive civilisation saving plan? Banning CFCs…. the formation of the UN maybe.<br />
As I see it the problem of climate change is clouded by its very complexity and our ability to irrefutably identify the anthropogenic nature of what is occurring with the even the most sophisticated tools at our disposal.  Also it is not often seen as an immediate threat like 9/11, H1N1 or Pearl Harbour. Many of us will not be around when climate change really starts to bight.<br />
These factors in turn I feel has led to the polarisation of opinions both within the scientific community and lay persons alike. And I feel sure that if ever we do get to that point in time where, like CFCs and the ozone layer we have universal consensus and in sufficient strength to silence the ubiquitous climate change sceptics, deniers and mere gadflies, it is likely to be far too late to take any affirmative action.</p>
<p>So please keep up the good work Paul. You have a devoted follower in me</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Brewster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Brewster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly it would be effective if the coal companies were to become pariahs to the public. But just as we like to demonise supermarkets for their commercial power, it is us, the consumers, who are the real demons. We don&#039;t seem capable of making purchasing choices that are based on the whole picture.  We always chase the cheapest or apparent best value or the most comfortable.  We are able to do this because the full costs are not exposed to us.  Politically it is probably impossible to perceive a government which applies environment taxes so the full cost hits our hip pockets.

Living in Queensland I read that our population has increased 30 % over a period.  In the same period our power consumption has increased 90% in the same period - witness houses designed for southern, cooler climes now made comfortable by air-conditioners.  Where is the public uprising to demonise the air conditioner buyers?  Where is the publicity campaign and government incentive to force the use of ceiling fans and well-ventilated house designs, as an example?

The Earth cannot sustain our greedy living.  As consumers we just don&#039;t get it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly it would be effective if the coal companies were to become pariahs to the public. But just as we like to demonise supermarkets for their commercial power, it is us, the consumers, who are the real demons. We don&#8217;t seem capable of making purchasing choices that are based on the whole picture.  We always chase the cheapest or apparent best value or the most comfortable.  We are able to do this because the full costs are not exposed to us.  Politically it is probably impossible to perceive a government which applies environment taxes so the full cost hits our hip pockets.</p>
<p>Living in Queensland I read that our population has increased 30 % over a period.  In the same period our power consumption has increased 90% in the same period &#8211; witness houses designed for southern, cooler climes now made comfortable by air-conditioners.  Where is the public uprising to demonise the air conditioner buyers?  Where is the publicity campaign and government incentive to force the use of ceiling fans and well-ventilated house designs, as an example?</p>
<p>The Earth cannot sustain our greedy living.  As consumers we just don&#8217;t get it!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked your argument that big business is the big loser (apart from the planet of course).  But I wish I could share your optimism Paul.  Whilst it was clear COP15 was never going to deliver an agreement it wasn&#039;t clear how far backwards it would move us all.  Do we really see political leadership post-Copenhagen getting more ambitious?  Not for some time I suspect.  Meaning we are in for a long period of going backward on any deal / coalition of the cooling / bold initiatives etc.  
Have a good Xmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked your argument that big business is the big loser (apart from the planet of course).  But I wish I could share your optimism Paul.  Whilst it was clear COP15 was never going to deliver an agreement it wasn&#8217;t clear how far backwards it would move us all.  Do we really see political leadership post-Copenhagen getting more ambitious?  Not for some time I suspect.  Meaning we are in for a long period of going backward on any deal / coalition of the cooling / bold initiatives etc.<br />
Have a good Xmas</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Castellas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Castellas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, have enjoyed your writings this year immensely...have done since you wrote a few times for the Conservation Gazette back in 1995....great perspective
I took my kids to the Bali COP partly to combine work with a holiday and partly so they could be exposed to what I do and to see what happens in the wonderful world of sustainable development.  My son Oscar was 10 and took a lot in and for primary school kid has followed events really closely. We &quot;debriefed&quot; on Copenhagen and his main reflection was to work out what year it would be when he is my age. The answer is 2041. I was reminded about how much into the future this will play out. And how there are young kids interested in this issue that will grow up with a very different mindset. It doesnt diminish the responsibility we have to influence, lead, motivate and guide now, but it is a historical point in time and there will be a evolutionary generational zeitgeist. 
As a post script, Oscar started reading Brave New World tonight. Time to imagine the future.
 Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, have enjoyed your writings this year immensely&#8230;have done since you wrote a few times for the Conservation Gazette back in 1995&#8230;.great perspective<br />
I took my kids to the Bali COP partly to combine work with a holiday and partly so they could be exposed to what I do and to see what happens in the wonderful world of sustainable development.  My son Oscar was 10 and took a lot in and for primary school kid has followed events really closely. We &#8220;debriefed&#8221; on Copenhagen and his main reflection was to work out what year it would be when he is my age. The answer is 2041. I was reminded about how much into the future this will play out. And how there are young kids interested in this issue that will grow up with a very different mindset. It doesnt diminish the responsibility we have to influence, lead, motivate and guide now, but it is a historical point in time and there will be a evolutionary generational zeitgeist.<br />
As a post script, Oscar started reading Brave New World tonight. Time to imagine the future.<br />
 Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Sireyjol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Sireyjol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope that paul&#039;s brilliant wording (BC and AC, coalition of the cooling, etc..) will convince some of our leaders to choose the right path toward a low carbon society.
We will have to find some efficient tricks or psychological approach to wake up our citizen and propose a volontary way for reducing sharply our carbon emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope that paul&#8217;s brilliant wording (BC and AC, coalition of the cooling, etc..) will convince some of our leaders to choose the right path toward a low carbon society.<br />
We will have to find some efficient tricks or psychological approach to wake up our citizen and propose a volontary way for reducing sharply our carbon emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Swingdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swingdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could be as optimistic as your line: &quot;the political acceptance of the need for even stronger action than before&quot;.

Not according to India and China who have protected their continued economic growth along the same route. Reading the leaks from inside the dealing room at Copenhagen (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-change-mark-lynas) suggests China isn&#039;t viewing this in the same light. 

I&#039;d be interested in your views on potential trade wars flowing out of this in the future, Europe slapping a carbon tax on Chinese imports for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could be as optimistic as your line: &#8220;the political acceptance of the need for even stronger action than before&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not according to India and China who have protected their continued economic growth along the same route. Reading the leaks from inside the dealing room at Copenhagen (<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-change-mark-lynas" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-change-mark-lynas</a>) suggests China isn&#8217;t viewing this in the same light. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in your views on potential trade wars flowing out of this in the future, Europe slapping a carbon tax on Chinese imports for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Industrial Civilization is the problem. For humans and all other species on the planet, industrial civilization needs to collapse. My guess is we won&#039;t do it willingly...put on your seatbelts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Industrial Civilization is the problem. For humans and all other species on the planet, industrial civilization needs to collapse. My guess is we won&#8217;t do it willingly&#8230;put on your seatbelts!</p>
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